Advocacy Without Limits: Inclusion, Leadership, and Creating Change with Sean Hines

We talk with Sean Hines about disability advocacy that is rooted in real relationships, real planning, and the belief that people deserve a full life. Sean shares how “assume capability” changes the way we nanny, teach, and move through the world, plus concrete ways to build inclusion without turning it into a performance. 
• Sean’s path from caregiving to special education teaching to professional nannying 
• The prom story that reveals how exclusion hides in plain sight 
• Why The Limitless Project exists and what “adaptive adventure” looks like 
• The limiting belief Sean fights most: visible disability equals inability 
• How we help kids build empathy through exposure, curiosity and everyday choices 
• Practical tools for nannies: inclusive books, think-aloud conversations and saying hello 
• What advocacy actually requires: opposition, consistency and a clear personal focus 
• Balancing stepping in with stepping back to support independence 
• Ways to volunteer, partner or spread the word across communities and states 
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Transcript

Speaker 1:27

Welcome to Adventure Nannies on Air. Today's episode was recorded live during one of our summit sessions as a part of our free ongoing educational webinar series to support nannies and professional childcare providers to elevate their careers and enhance their skills. If you like what you hear, you can catch the full episode on our YouTube channel, or register for our next summit session at adventure nannies.com/summit-sessions.

Reagan Fulton 1:49

Welcome everybody to today's summit session. My name is Regan Fulton. I'm the marketing director here at Adventure Nannies, and today I am so excited to talk to somebody who I've been trying to get on for a summit session for so long, and our- the stars finally aligned to bring him on. The incredible Sean Hinds. welcome.

Sean Hines 2:11

Thank you. Thank you very much

Reagan Fulton 2:13

Before I let Sean jump in and kinda give us a little intro and tell us about himself, just a quick housekeeping reminder. I don't have to do these housekeeping reminder 'cause no one's here yet, but if people join, I'll give them. Gonna skip those. But this is a live summit session. Blah, blah, blah. Gonna skip that. Thank you. Okay, Sean. So go ahead and tell us a little bit about y- who you are, and especially we would love to hear about what brought you into nannying and your nanny journey

Sean Hines 2:43

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 2:43

you to today.

Sean Hines 2:44

Of

Reagan Fulton 2:44

I'll give

Sean Hines 2:45

of course. Yeah, yeah. Well, thank you for that introduction. I'm, I'm, you know, thrilled to be here. And like you said, the stars aligned and we got it we got it figured out. Yeah,

Welcome And Meet Sean Hines

Sean Hines 2:54

most of you guys don't know me. My name's Sean Hines. I am a, I wear many hats. Currently, I just accepted a nanny role so I'll be moving across the country, crazy, in a couple weeks. But when I'm not nannying, I founded a nonprofit. So I, I run a, a nonprofit called The Limitless Project. And then I just moved gears from the teaching world as well. So I have six years of teaching experience, special education, here in Michigan. And then in tandem, as well as on the side I nannied as well. So I kinda started nannying and caregiving, and then I you know, went to school to be a, a special education teacher. Graduated and got my first degree, or my first, my first job in special ed. And then taught for, this will be my sixth year, and then now I'm transitioning back into the nanny role. So yeah, it just depends on the day, but I wear many hats and, and you know. But what it really stems to is just advocating for, for people. I've known I've been a, a people advocate for a while, so-

Reagan Fulton 3:50

The first thing that I heard about you, Sean, was like it was a picture posted and it was like, "Gotta hear about this guy," and it was a picture of you, like, backpacking in the mountains, and it was like, "He backpacks with special needs kids so they can go mountain climbing,

Sean Hines 4:08

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 4:08

Bawled. I just It instantly bro- I, I love so much. So tell me a little bit, led you into that? I'm really interested in what led you. Is there a story or a piece of your life that kinda led you into this special needs advocacy? Or what, what is your why? What,

Sean Hines 4:25

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 4:25

made you want to do this and be an advocate for special needs and disabled folks? You know, is it something in your personal life, professional life? Because I think that's really special and your passion for that is just you know, unmatched, so I wanna hear

Sean Hines 4:38

Thank you. Yeah. To answer your question, both personally and professionally, there was a couple moments that kind of led me to the, the, where we are now, I guess. It started from a very young age. I knew I saw the world differently my whole life. I just knew. I just, I just gravitated towards people that needed help. So I think I was about five years old going to my first Tigers game. It's a professional baseball game, you know, here in Detroit. And, you know, as a kindergartner, you're just living life. You just ride your bike and you just... There's not a worry in the world and, you know, you're worrying about what mac and cheese flavor you're gonna have for lunch. But the Tigers game, I went with my aunt, my godmother, and it was very eye-opening because that was the first homeless population I've ever seen. So I got to see a world that, that people were suffering and people were, you know, struggling with even feeding themselves. And I remember this one gentleman specifically. He didn't have any legs. Very cold day. It was a fall day, windy day. And his shirt was all tattered and everything, and I just could not enjoy the game. We went to the game, and I just could not stop thinking about what I could do, you know, at five years old. And anyway, long story short, I tried to give him my shirt off my back, not knowing, you know, that it, it's not gonna fit.

Reagan Fulton 5:57

the, the saying.

Sean Hines 5:58

So anyway, we, we ended up getting him a meal and getting him, you know, a place and that made me feel really good. I just felt

A Five-Year-Old Learns Compassion

Sean Hines 6:06

good. At five years old I, I just didn't know what that led to in life. So anyway, fast-forward, I just viewed life with those lenses of who needs help and who can I help and-

Reagan Fulton 6:17

age, and for that to have that impactful

Sean Hines 6:20

absolutely. Absolutely. And so I took that mentality into high school and, and you know, I did what we call a peer-to-peer program. So we basically work with, with students in special education, and you befriend them, and you mentor them, and you model, and you just, you just really be a friend, you know? And whether that's helping them with their homework or just being in gym class and helping, you know, anxiety change in the, in the changing room or whatever. And I loved it. I loved it so much, I I would actually skip, skip some of my classes to go do that more, you know? And teachers would write me passes and it was great. But my senior year I decided I s- I had that kind of... That was the first moment of advocacy that I said, "You know, man- Prom is coming around the corner, and it's the jewel of high school, right? Everybody wants to go to prom, and it's like the, the capstone, if you will, to your four years. And I wanted to take one of the kids in special education that never had the opportunity. So I presented the idea, and the, and the teacher just broke down crying. And I was like, "Wow, this is..." It, it took me off guard. It just- I didn't know if I was even doing the right thing.

Reagan Fulton 7:29

Right

Sean Hines 7:29

and she said, "Sean, I've been doing this for 30 years. I've never had one of my students been asked to prom." You know, I think that's incredible. So anyway, I spent more and more time, you know, in the classroom trying to figure out who wants to go and who should I take. Long story short, I couldn't decide. I just, I had to take the whole class. So we took... Well, I took. I took

Reagan Fulton 7:50

gonna cry now.

Sean Hines 7:50

yeah. Yeah, I took the whole class. I think there was 18 or 19 of us. And I bought them all flowers. I bought them all dinner. I danced with all of them. And it, it really, you know, a- as much of an impact as it made on them, it, it impacted my life tenfold, you

Reagan Fulton 8:08

No

Sean Hines 8:09

And and that moment of, hey, I don't necessarily need to be the popular guy and the guy that's on the football team. I wanna be the guy that, you know, people can look up to, and, and make that change and, and realize that it's okay to be different and, and, you know. So anyway, the, the, the night was just perfect. It was straight out of a fairy tale. And yeah, it just was incredible, incredible. So that kind of paved the, the path for my future and, and that's, you know, naturally why I went into nuclear engineering at first because

Reagan Fulton 8:43

Naturally, naturally.

Sean Hines 8:45

Yeah, right, right, yeah. But no, I, I decided you know, my sophomore year of college, I said, "Look, nuclear engineering is cool and I like it and it pays good, but this is not, this is not me. This is not where my heart's at. This is not my passion." so I switched to special ed, and just the rest is, has laid the groundwork for everything else, so-

Reagan Fulton 9:04

Yeah. Well, that's incredible. Even, you know, when you're talking about the impact and, you know, from a personal s- perspective, I have a cousin who's grew up in special education and would, would I w- I wish you were closer to me. She would love to go on adventures with you.

Sean Hines 9:22

For sure

Reagan Fulton 9:23

Just thinking about her and her high school experience, and she did, she had great peer-to-peer

Sean Hines 9:27

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 9:28

in her school. But just the impact that those did make

Sean Hines 9:32

For sure

Reagan Fulton 9:33

you know, like you said, it impacted you and, you know, you think it may be more than others, but y- you know, it really truly does make such an impact on those

Sean Hines 9:40

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 9:40

And, you know, you were talking, you know, taking everybody to prom giving them the experience that so many of us take for granted.

Sean Hines 9:46

Right

Reagan Fulton 9:47

you know, that And the teacher said that none, none of her students had ever been asked, and that's just something that, you know, so many of us take for granted. So I see it, and I wanna kinda tie the, tie the, the line and lead it into Limitless Project and what

Sean Hines 10:01

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 10:01

that because, you know, you know, everyone is limitless and they all have the

Sean Hines 10:06

Of course

Reagan Fulton 10:07

giving, you know, from my understanding, and I want you to expand and, and tell a little bit more, but you're giving anybody the opportunity to do anything essentially is your

Sean Hines 10:15

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 10:16

You know, it doesn't matter if you're wheelchair-bound. It doesn't matter if you

Sean Hines 10:19

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 10:20

developmental disability. If you want to do something that, that you will find a way to do it essentially

Sean Hines 10:25

Yeah, that yeah, you hit it on the head.

Reagan Fulton 10:27

us, tell us more

Sean Hines 10:28

Yeah. Absolutely. You hit it right on the head. I founded the Limitless Project a couple years ago, and it was a moment when I was teaching a, a very profound class in Michigan, some of the most impaired kiddos you'll ever meet. You know, these are your kids that are in wheelchairs and usually non-verbal. They use a communication device. Lot of health impairments. You know, you go, go through the list, right?

Reagan Fulton 10:50

Yeah

Sean Hines 10:52

and it was one Christmas break, we were off. I just took it for granted that I could just pack my life up and just take a vacation when I wanted, and I did. I drove to Florida by myself just because I wanted to. And I went swimming with the sharks, and I went deep sea fishing, and I went on a wild boar hunt, and it was crazy. It was, like, the best time of my life, and

Reagan Fulton 11:13

an adventure.

Sean Hines 11:14

it was an adventure, yeah.

Reagan Fulton 11:15

Yeah.

Sean Hines 11:16

And the crazy thing is, you know, you jump into the water full of sharks, and everybody should, a, a normal human reaction should, should, you know, be a little bit fearful of that, you know?

Building The Limitless Project

Sean Hines 11:28

And I jumped in the water, and the first thing that I thought was, "Man, I wish my kids at school could experience this," you know? And it, it was that moment that I had 18 hours on the drive back to say, "Ah, I just can't stop thinking about that I can just go whenever I want, do the things that I love to do." The kids that I teach and the population I serve can't, and they... A- and society tells them no. You know, society says, "No, that's too dangerous," or, "You're in a wheelchair, we can't get you on a boat," or, "It's not possible." So I came back, and with the thought, with that thought in mind, I said, "Look, I've been going to school for a long time to, to adapt to life in the classroom to help, you know, advocate there in the classroom. Why can't I do it outside of the classroom, too? And to, to do these things and to make these opportunities for a population that desperately needs it." with that in mind, I filed, you know, all the paperwork and started this nonprofit called The Limitless Project, and it was in-depth

Reagan Fulton 12:27

Oh, yes. It

Sean Hines 12:28

it's a lot of work.

Reagan Fulton 12:29

it is

Sean Hines 12:29

but it was worth it.

Reagan Fulton 12:30

become a nonprofit, that's

Sean Hines 12:31

Yeah. It was... You know, I kept telling myself, "Look, you know, these kids are fighting for their life." Some of them quite literally, in the most literal sense I mean that, you know? The least I can do is fight to make sure it's a full life. And, and that is kinda what fueled my passion and my advocacy and everything, is to say, "Look, it's hard. It's hard work, but they're worth it." You know? These kids, a lot of them were told that they weren't gonna see their second birthday, and here they are at 20- 22 years old. And to me, I just don't think it's much of a life to sit on an iPad at school, then you go home and get tethered to a screen, and you get fed the same meal every day. And life is just about sharing memories and laughing and meeting people, and you know, it doesn't have to be the big crazy swim with sharks or climbing a mountain. But you know, let's have a conversation about what do you wanna do, you know? Regardless of your capability, let's find a way to make it happen. So that's kinda how that conversation started is just to say, "Hey, you know, what do people wanna do?" And what do people... You know, what are the limitations that, that you think you have? And let's come together and, and find a way to kinda work around that. Yeah, that's kinda what stemmed The, The Limitless Project, is just, you know, creating those opportunities that I like to do. And they're just more enjoyable to, to share it with those that I love. So that's- Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 13:55

I think you really hit the he- nail on the head something you said about, you know everyone should be able to experience this. And, you

Sean Hines 14:01

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 14:02

isn't that they don't have the ability, it's that society says they don't, or that it's too hard.

Sean Hines 14:07

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 14:08

so I'm curious if you have any especial- you know, tips or, you know, what are, like, the biggest societal beliefs that you, especially in your work here both in special education and specifically through the Limitless project what are those limiting beliefs that you most look to target or come

Sean Hines 14:23

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 14:24

often with your, with your clients or your patients? I d- d- don't know how

Sean Hines 14:28

Yeah. Students, all of it. yeah,

Reagan Fulton 14:30

yeah.

Sean Hines 14:31

Yeah, yeah

Reagan Fulton 14:31

what, what limiting beliefs have you, you know, noticed are most prevalent, and especially the most easily challenged or overcome,

Sean Hines 14:40

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 14:40

you know, potentially nannies or other folks can back into their work too and,

Sean Hines 14:45

The, the big thing I see all the time is especially with physical disabilities. Society sees physical disabilities, whether that's you're wheelchair-bound or, you know, spina bifida, or s- some- something that you can see and immediately it's, well, you know, they're written off unfortunately because it's, it's something that you can see, and it's not a world most people live in, you know? And, and admittedly, at first it, it is uncomfortable, you know, to see somebody that either lost their legs or is, or is using a, an AAC device or, you know, whatever it may be is not typical of society's norms, you know? We live a life, and we just take it for granted that we get in our car and we drive to work and we do this and we d- you know, we go grocery shopping. So when you see something outside of that norm, I think a lot of times people pump the brakes, and

The Mindset Shift: Assume Capability

Sean Hines 15:35

I don't th- I don't necessarily think it's intentional. I don't think people are being mean to be mean. I just think it's they don't have the exposure, and they don't have, I guess, the mindset of, of that.

Reagan Fulton 15:48

Yep

Sean Hines 15:48

and my biggest thing that I've over, every, I've told everybody in the classroom, outside of the classroom people are people, you know? And we all communicate in different ways, and we all have different personalities, and we all... You know, we're all just human at the end of the day. And, you know, we, we play this game of life, and it's hard. It's a hard game, you know? Life will beat you down at every opportunity. And what I tell people is you don't need to add to that, you know? Li- life will, will be just fine doing that as is. But, you know, when you assume the first thing you see is someone in a wheelchair is that, oh, they, they, they probably have a cognitive impairment too because they're in a wheelchair, you know? It, it goes in this spiral of just incapability,

Reagan Fulton 16:32

Yeah

Sean Hines 16:33

And the one thing I've seen as a teacher, as a nanny, as an advocate, as, as a founder of a, a company is the best thing you can do is just, just assume capability. You just have to assume that someone is cognitive, cognitive, you know, is able to do something, is able to communicate, is able to do all these things. And that just changes your whole perspective on life. You know, if you can... Even if you and I were to say I'm not really sure I can do X, Y, and Z," like- It's just a mentality thing. You just have to change that mentality to say, no, that's just... You know, society is telling me one thing, but it's just not true. There's, there's no limits. The lo- the only limits we have are the ones we impose on ourself. So we've seen time and time again, you know, even kids, it's like a great opportunity when you see somebody in a wheelchair or you see someone that looks different or acts different, you know, kids often stare. And, you know, I don't necessarily shun that because it's just them being curious. That's an opportunity for them to, to learn, to, to say, hey, you know, you know, there are people that look different and talk different and feel different, and, and that's okay. You know, at the end of the day, we are all human, and we are all, you know, we all desire to be loved and belonging and, you know, we all wanna live a full life,

Reagan Fulton 17:52

My favorite line for that is, "Did you wanna go say hi?"

Sean Hines 17:55

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 17:55

"Do you wanna go say hi to them? Do you wanna, do you wanna introduce yourself?

Sean Hines 17:59

Right.

Reagan Fulton 17:59

you're curious. We

Sean Hines 18:00

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 18:01

go introduce ourselves and say hi and,

Sean Hines 18:03

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 18:03

meet them." you know?

Sean Hines 18:04

Yeah. Yeah. It's just, yeah, it's the exposure and letting people know that it's okay. You know? It's, it's, I think sometimes the lack of reaction is a reaction enough.

Reagan Fulton 18:15

Yep

Sean Hines 18:17

it's, it's okay. It- it's, and I think that's, you know, part of teaching is, is, especially the younger population, is just to say, "Look, the norm is, is okay." You know? It's not a scary thing. It's not, it's not anything you should be fearful of. It, it's, you know, changing that narrative around what is, you know, okay and what's safe and what's normal is, is kind of the battle. You know? And and that's k- that's, you know, cool with the Limitless project and everything that I do, is we wanna show people that it's okay. We wanna show people that you can go fishing and you can go rock climbing and do all these things. Despite your limitations, we'll find a way. You know? One example I always like to bring up there was a gentleman, we went whitewater rafting last year. Really crazy. The waiver was pretty

Reagan Fulton 19:07

Yeah

Sean Hines 19:08

But this gentleman, he was in a car accident, lived a very normal life, and just like that became paralyzed, lost a leg. You know, just in an instant his life changed dramatically. And I said, "Hey, look, you know, we're going on this whitewater rafting trip. I told you, I was told you might be interested." He said, "Well, Sean, you know, I'm, I'm paralyzed. I'm in a wheelchair. How," you know? I said, "Yeah, and?" You

Reagan Fulton 19:32

What, yeah, what do you need to adapt? Do you need

Sean Hines 19:34

yeah.

Reagan Fulton 19:34

adaptations? Yeah. What, what do we need to make it happen? I love that

Sean Hines 19:37

And so I think people, you know, themselves ha- place these limits than to say "Society has beat me down so much that I start to believe them." and it's my job and m- you know, one of my passions to say, "Look, you know, none of that matters. I don't care that you're in a wheelchair. I don't care that this and that." So we, we had a great trip. And he actually broke down and started to cry. Said, "Sean, I never thought I'd swim again, you know, after my accident, let alone do a crazy whitewater rafting trip." And so it- it's just really changing that idea of to say, "Yeah, I, I'm capable and I'm able," and, you know, to, to prove that. It's just the only limits, like I said, are the ones we place on ourselves. To change that narrative is you just have to be consistent, and you have to show up, and you have to, you know, fight the good fight, if you will.

Reagan Fulton 20:24

Absolutely.

Sean Hines 20:25

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 20:26

I love that so much. I'm curious, you know, I know you've talked a little bit about, like, how you push and, and why, why it's important for, you know, the disabled folks and, and the, the folks who are different to be seen as, as, you know, and as not different and as, you know, what is the norm. But I'm also curious if you have anything to say about, like, why it is important for kids especially that, you know, if, if you're a nanny going into a home,

Sean Hines 20:58

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 20:58

know, not just from a societal aspect, but I know there is, and I, I know you probably know there is, but, like, why is it important

Sean Hines 21:05

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 21:05

them to be a successful human to have this exposure and to have this? What, what, wh- why does it matter for, for, you know, neurotypical, neuro, you

Sean Hines 21:14

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 21:15

developmentally typical kids to

Sean Hines 21:18

Sure

Reagan Fulton 21:18

and care about it?

Sean Hines 21:20

Great. Great, yeah, great point that you brought that up. It, it I don't wanna say, you know, I don't, it's not all about me, but it kinda stems back to you know, when I was five years old at, at a Tigers game. It, it's just kids don't know what they don't know, and adults too. And a lot of these families, especially these, these nanny families, they live in a world, they live in a bubble that is not realistic for most of society, you know? It's, it's this very isolated they know what they know and that's it. But once you get outside of that bubble, that's really when you start to learn and you start to grow

Why Kids Need Real-World Exposure

Sean Hines 21:53

and you start to see that there's, there are problems in this world that, you know, need solving and injustices. And whe- whether it's disabilities or whatever it is there is something to be said about being passionate about caring, you know? I, I, I think people get wrapped up in society all the time, especially kids, of, you know, what do I want for Christmas, and they want the material things and they want the screen time. And adults, you know, likewise too. It's, you're like, "When am I gonna get paid?" And, "My paycheck was late," and, "I want this car and this house." And we get, we just get caught, caught up in this game of life, and we're all guilty of it. I'm guilty of it. But I think really what it stems down to, if you wanna be a contributing human to society, is you just have to give more than you take. That's it. It, it's just, it really is as simple as that. And people get so bent out of shape when, you know, it's all wants, wants, and needs, and needs but they don't realize how impactful it is to give and to give and to give. So I think it's especially important for kids because it's, one, at a pivotal age. You know? Kids soak up, they're like sponges, and they will regurgitate and, you know, be models of what you feed them and what you experience and, and all these things. You know, to show them that there are people that are hurting despite, you know, you might have a, a house over your head or you might have ability to do whatever you please not everybody has that situation. And, and just to you know, like I said, to, to promote that giving more than you take is s- you know, the one thing that I could just promote, if, if you take one thing away from this, is that's really as simple as life gets, you know? I don't care what disability you are, how rich you are, how poor you are, if you can give more than you take, that's it. The world would be a different place, you know? So teaching those kids to say, "Hey, look, you know, let's, let's give back a little bit." You know? Let's say, "Hey, there's, you know, a homeless shelter down the road. Maybe we do a cooking class and we bake some cookies," or whatever it may be. And just to say, "Hey, I, I see you- I acknowledge you and, you know, let's help in any way we can. I think that's what, you know, separates people that just go through life and, you know, whether they're successful or not, they just play the game of life and they get the next bigger toy and the next bigger this and that, to the real leaders in this world and the real people that just wanna s- just make the world a better place, is just to, you know, give what you can with what time you have. And, you know, it doesn't have to be boring along the way. It I love what I do. I love what I do. And

Reagan Fulton 24:41

have to go whitewater rafting. Yeah,

Sean Hines 24:42

right, you know? It's, it's those moments that it's, you know, people don't realize it's fun and it, it makes you feel good as a human to, to say, "Hey, you know, we made this happen." And you know, it was hard, but so is life, and we have to do hard things in life. And, you know, what a better opportunity to teach kids to say, you know, there are hard things and we can do it together, but let's do it together and make sure that we're doing it with best intentions and, you know, that we wanna give what we can. So yeah, it's just such a pivotal age, you know?

Reagan Fulton 25:17

I love it. And I'm curious, 'cause you, you re- you said something about, you know, these families often if you can hire a nanny, you might live in a little bit of a bubble. You know, the...

Sean Hines 25:28

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 25:28

A, a lot of times even the parents might m- might not have had exposure to different kinds of, whether it be wealth or other societal inequities or disabilities. They themselves might not quite see the value. So I'm curious if you have any... You know, obviously you, you mentioned you know, baking cookies and taking them to the homeless shelter, and there's those kind of bigger

Sean Hines 25:50

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 25:50

that you can do. But, you know, not every nanny family is gonna be, you know, want you to take, as a nanny, to take their kids to

Sean Hines 25:58

Of course

Reagan Fulton 25:59

in what I can only assume, I think we're about the same age, is the

Sean Hines 26:02

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 26:03

2000s, right?

Sean Hines 26:04

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 26:05

I'm not, not sure that most families would be comfortable with that. You know, that kind of experience might not be... You might not be able to give that directly. So I'm curious about w- you know, and/or are there ways to talk to the parents about why you want to involve their ch- kids in some of these? I know you just gave us the, the true why, but if there's any strategies maybe soften that. Cause I

Sean Hines 26:26

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 26:26

families can be a little bit almost like, you know, you don't wanna offend a family and be

Sean Hines 26:30

Yeah, of course

Reagan Fulton 26:30

give... Make your child worldly," 'cause that's not

Sean Hines 26:33

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 26:33

either. But so how do you approach that conversation? Or potentially also smaller things like whether it be books or certain, you know, music, things like that that you can use to expose as well

Nanny-Friendly Ways To Teach Inclusion

Reagan Fulton 26:44

without those kind of bigger elements.

Sean Hines 26:46

Yeah. Well, you, you mentioned books. Books are a huge, huge learning tool. You know, and, and just as kids are intuitive to what they read and listen to, so are adults. You know, so if you could pick out literature that is inclusive, that has a, a kid that is in a wheelchair or is of different color or different race, you know, that is just something a little bit outside of their norm, whatever, you know, whatever their bubble is, their world. You know, if you could start with a book, and it could be a children's book. It could be a nice, easy children's book, and there are so many books. And what I would do is just kinda have that external thought to say, "Hey, you know, why does he look different?" Or, "Why do they sound different?" Or, you know, while you're reading it, we do this a lot in the classroom, is just to think out loud while you're reading something. And it st- it sparks a conversation to say, hey, you know, maybe there are some different opportunities and different things. You know, it doesn't have to be going baking cookies to a homeless shelter. As a matter of fact, a lot of families would probably frown on that. But you know, it, it could be something as simple as you know, let's say you're, you're writing a Mother's Day card or whatever, and you can say, "Wow, I wonder what it would be like, you know, if my mother was deaf," you know? And then you can talk about braille, and you can talk about all these different ways to communicate and feel, you know. It just, it, it's very situational, and it depends on the family. And of course, you know, nothing has to be a home run. It, you, that's not what I'm saying, is, is, it's more of just the conversation.

Reagan Fulton 28:17

For planting seeds, yeah

Sean Hines 28:18

the plant of seeds and yeah. And you wanna, you know, if you want your child to be a contributing member to society, you, you should expose them to society, you know? It, it's just, you know, like I said, it's very situational. It depends on the family. It depends on where they're at and what, what they want. But you know, I would really, I would really just chalk it up to exposure, as small as it may be as first, and then you can kinda build on that exposure. And, you know, maybe go to the community and you see someone in a wheelchair, and you could s- you could, you know, say, "Hey, you know, let's say hi," or, "Let's introduce ourself," or, you know. You can just kinda build on those seeds, like you mentioned. And you know, some families you might be able to say, "Hey, you know, I wanna go-" On a mission trip or I wanna go, you know, take my, take my, the kid I'm nannying for you know, to a homeless shelter or whatever it may be. You may be able to hit the ground running with a family that, that wants that. But, you know, for those that don't, you know, just having that exposure early in a little seed, you know, in a little conversation here, in a little book, in a little, you know, social media thing or whatever, and then you know, grow that and water that and nurture that into something that is, is fruitful and, and meaningful.

Reagan Fulton 29:37

I love it.

Sean Hines 29:37

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 29:38

great tips. And I think that that's, you know, as, as a nanny, that's, that's your whole job, right?

Sean Hines 29:43

Right

Reagan Fulton 29:44

is to plant those seeds. I am curious, you know, for, for anybody, you know, we talked a little bit about, like, how you can with- as a nanny, but for somebody who's interested in getting more into the advocacy side as you are I'm curious if you can talk a little bit more about the disability advocacy world

Sean Hines 30:01

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 30:02

And some, possibly some misconceptions about, about the work you do, the world that, that, that

Sean Hines 30:07

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 30:08

then how people can get involved, too, and,

Sean Hines 30:10

For sure.

Reagan Fulton 30:11

support

Sean Hines 30:11

For sure

Reagan Fulton 30:12

whether it be in their own community locally,

Sean Hines 30:14

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 30:15

become an advocate, and also supporting Lil Miss Project.

Sean Hines 30:18

Yeah. Well, a- a- as I'm sure you know, being an advocate is hard. And nobody talks about, you know, the, the shortcomings and the hardships of, of being an, a true advocate. You're gonna be met with a lot of opposition. By definition, that is what advocacy is. You know, you're supporting a group that's already been discriminated against or you know, whatever it may be. It's hard. A- and I think, you know, what, what's helped me in the past is just to know that I'm not doing this for me. I'm not doing, I'm not advocating for myself. I'm doing this for a population that can't advocate for themselves. And, you know, it kind of lights a fire in your... I hope it, it will light a fire in you to say, "Look, you know, here's a population that's being discriminated against to, to be shunned," or whatever it may be. Let's, let's pick it apart a little bit. I think a, you know, a lot of the misconceptions

Advocacy That Lasts Through Pushback

Sean Hines 31:11

around advocacy is everybody wants to jump into advocacy and be this, you know, rah-rah advocate. And really, it's, it's not as efficient as just narrowing your focus to say, "Hey, I'm really passionate about knitting, or cooking, or baking, or adventures. What can I do that I'm already passionate about that I can make it inclusive, that I can advocate?" so my biggest piece of advice is just really narrow your focus. You know, I personally love adventuring, and I love getting my adrenaline going, and, you know, all of these things, hence why I created a nonprofit dedicated to that. It, it's things that I already love to do, and it makes advocacy that much easier, you know? To say, "Hey, I wanna go climb a mountain." Well, okay. You know, I already had, I already planned it in my head. Now it's just one step further to say, "Okay, let's make it inclusive for someone who has a disability." you know, so I would really just hone on just one specific thing, and then you can, and then you can grow from there. Once you're, you know, y- you kinda rally the troops, if you will you know, that grows and it, you know, we created a ripple effect, and more people are advocating, and more people are advocating, and before you know it, you know, we're, we're changing society. Yeah, just, just to start small you know, with what you already do well with what you already are passionate about, and maybe you're already an advocate for. You can expand those horizons just a little bit. We call it the foot in the door phenomenon, you know? If you can get your foot in the door, you know, y- you can walk everybody else through. So we even see that with people themselves, you know? We want people to be an advocate for themselves. And you know, that example of that gentleman we took whitewater rafting, you know, everybody is, after a life-changing event, is, is- You know, you, you go through some, some stuff. You know? You go through some, some psychology that is, is pretty negative towards yourself, and you think that your life is over. And being able to say, "Hey not only do I think you're capable," but, you know, teaching them that they are themself capable. You know, it's one thing to push and push and be a leader but it's another thing to, to lead from behind, if you will, and push people to be advocates themselves. You know, to relearn that or maybe even learn that for the first time that, look, you know, just because something is, is, you know, said to you from a societal standpoint does not mean that that is the law and that is what's written. We gotta just rewrite our own book. Yeah, it's just you know, again, it's very situational, very depends on, on each person. But, you know, and the biggest thing of being an advocate is just being an advocate. You know? It's, it's selfless.

Reagan Fulton 33:54

Yeah

Sean Hines 33:54

and it's gonna be met with opposition, and it's gonna be met with people that don't share your same beliefs, and, you know, that's okay. People can disagree and, you know, we can still be humans. We can still have interactions. We can still respect each other. So if you understand that, you know, it's gonna ha- you're gonna be met... I, I can tell you from, from day one, you're gonna be met with opposition, and from the finish line, you're gonna be met with opposition. And you just have to be okay with what level of opposition that is, you know? Some, some schools will really push back to say, "Hey, you know, this nonprofit that you're doing is, is really disadvantageous to our kids and unsafe, and you're putting them in harm's way." But, you know, you have to be okay with saying, "Look," you know, "I, I know this is the right thing. I know that..." You know, through communication and through what they want and, and all of that you have to be their, their backbone. You have to be the ones to s- to almost take those hits because, you know, they've been, they've been beat down for life for so long. You almost have to step in front of them and, and be their shield and, and to take those hits, and you have to be okay with that. And you know, not everybody is. It's not, it's not easy to have a target on your back, and it's not easy to constantly be de- deflecting, you know, opposition. But you know, that's just one of those things. You have to look at yourself in the mirror and say, "Look, it's worth it." You know? It, it's worth the fight. It's worth the negative comments. It's worth this and that. Because at the end of the day, you know, you're fighting for someone's life, and and that's just invaluable to me.

Reagan Fulton 35:31

Absolutely. That's so beautiful. I'm really curious if you have any tips, because I think my experience i- in any advocacy I work, work I've done one of the hardest things, especially when you are coming from a place of privilege, is the balance of what you, you kinda just talked about of, stepping in and being the shield, and stepping back and allowing voices to be amplified and

Sean Hines 35:55

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 35:56

overpowering, too. And, and I... You said something about fighting when they can't fight for themselves. And it and then you circled it back around and, and, and made it all made sense. But I, I, I thought back to the the Capitol Crawl of the '90s. And even just the fact that the, the ADA for those who don't know the ADA only exists because disabled folks themselves literally crawled the steps of the

Sean Hines 36:19

Yeah. Right

Reagan Fulton 36:21

when no one else would fight for them, and fought for themselves to get

Sean Hines 36:24

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 36:25

And you know, that, that k- kind of balance... And, you know, and h- if you and I had walked up those Capitol steps in the 1990s and, and demanded the same thing, I don't know that it would have had the same effect either. And so it's just this, it's this constant constant balance, I think, of when to step in, when to step back. And I'm curious, you know, y- I think you talked a little bit about what the balance is, but if there's any, you know, quick one-liners you ask yourself, or questions you ask yourself when you're like, "Do I step in? Do I step

Sean Hines 36:55

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 36:56

to

Sean Hines 36:56

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 36:56

decisions of, like, where, where is my place, or people you ask, or,

When To Step In Or Step Back

Reagan Fulton 37:00

or how you deal with that.

Sean Hines 37:02

Yeah. It is. It's, it's a very challenging, very challenging balance that you know, it's... And I don't think there's necessarily a right answer. I don't think there is to say, "Hey, you know, this is the right moment to step in and this is the right moment to step out." I think laying the groundwork, you know, working with individuals with disabilities and working with kids and adults beforehand, before you get into that moment, is, is really when you should be stepping in a- and be full force to say, "Hey, I'm here for you. I got you." And then, you know, promoting that independence to say, "When you're in that moment, I'll be here. You know, I'll be here if you need me, but you need to advocate for yourself, too. You, this is, this is your fight as well." you know, so like I said, I, it, it's hard to say because that is really a, a great, a great question. And every situation's gonna be different. Every, every advocacy situation, every moment. A lot of the population I work with are non-verbal, so advocacy is, is almost constant, right? They can't speak up for themself, or they don't have the cognitive ability to have that thought process to say, "Oh, I, I think someone's doing me wrong." So of course there's gonna be a lot more support, a lot more advocacy upfront and, and to be that shield, if you will, versus someone who is cognitively able and, and can communicate. You know, that groundwork has to be laid beforehand, before you get into, you know, whatever moment it may-

Reagan Fulton 38:27

you're advocating for

Sean Hines 38:28

Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. That's really what it boils down to is, is what, what do they need and what supports do they need a- and being there. You know, I think that's the biggest thing is, is following through with that support. You know, if they need it, if they need someone who's gonna be that soldier on the front lines and that rah-rah guy, great. You know, you, you need to be that guy, o- or girl. But if, if they need, you know, someone who's a little bit more hands-off and more support in the background, then great. You know, you need to be that, too. But like you said, I think it really boils down to just knowing your population and knowing who you're advocating for, and those kind of whens will, will work itself out to, to, you know, through the process, if you will. Will work itself out just you know, be the best advocate you can, but also promoting their independence. You know, you don't wanna hand them everything. You don't... Nor would I want things handed to me. You

Reagan Fulton 39:21

Yeah.

Sean Hines 39:22

I should have every right to work for what I want and, you know, as do people with disabilities. You just might have to get a little bit creative on what that looks like. But yeah, knowing when to step in, it's, it, it's, there's never gonna be a right answer. There's never gonna be a, a black and white. You know, it's always gonna be a gray scale. But, you know, knowing your population is, is probably the biggest thing for sure.

Reagan Fulton 39:45

I love that.

Sean Hines 39:46

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 39:47

amazing. You know, we talked a lot about, like, where it came from, the whys, the hows. W- what is, um, what is the Limitless Proce- Project doing right now? How can people get involved? I know you're, you know, like you said, you're getting ready to move cross country, so I hope you're not also trying to do a big project at the same time. But, you know,

Sean Hines 40:05

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 40:06

support you? What, what are you involved in right

Sean Hines 40:08

A-

Reagan Fulton 40:08

Yeah.

Sean Hines 40:08

Well, the, the cool thing is when I created this project is I knew that I, I wasn't gonna be in Michigan forever. So I, I created it with the mindset of it's, it can be fluid. It can- I can do it whenever, wherever, as big or as small as I want. How we work really is on two facets. We work on, on a company-wide facet to say, hey, you know, this weekend we're doing X, Y, and Z. And we'll post it on our social medias, and we'll post it on, you know, our website once it gets all good to go. And say, hey, you know, this weekend we're going white water rafting, or this weekend we're going hang gliding off the Sleeping Bear sand dunes. Everybody is welcome, and there will just be a sign-up, you know? A- a- there'll be a questionnaire to say, hey, you know, what supports do you need? Let's have a conversation about it. How can we make this accessible for you? And we'll do those periodically. Probably in the next couple months once I get all settled across the country, you know, we'll pick those back up. But there'll be, you know, local things. You know, if it's in California, maybe we do an adaptive surfing lesson and we say, "Hey, if you wanna try surfing today, come out. We'd love to have you." and we'll of course, you know, have volunteers and, and experts to meet everybody's needs.

Projects, Volunteering And Getting Involved

Sean Hines 41:18

As we progress and as I get a little bit settled down I'd like to do them monthly, you know? What- whatever they are, it, it could be anything. It could be as simple as hey, let's go bowling and let's just have a social meet and greet or whatever, you know? Just to, to add to the community. And then we also work on individual projects. So people can come to us and say, "Hey, Shawn, I've always wanted to do this. I've always wanted to do X, Y, and Z." and these are more of your, your your bigger projects. So but yeah, people can reach out to us and say, "Hey, you know, let's figure this out. I- I've always wanted to go parachuting," or, "I've always wanted to go," whatever. We're actually working on a project right now, big project to do a photo shoot in the Bahamas. You know, one of my friends, she's in a wheelchair and she has a, a couple different things going on. And she's a model. Beautiful, beautiful woman and, you know, we wanna do this photo shoot underwater with sharks and shipwrecks and all this in a full ballgown just to show

Reagan Fulton 42:15

Do you need a photographer?

Sean Hines 42:16

Yeah. Right, right, right. But just to, you know, just to, you know, work individually and say, "Hey, we'll figure everything out."

Reagan Fulton 42:24

This is your dream, we'll make it happen.

Sean Hines 42:26

yeah, exactly. And then a couple other bigger projects coming up. We've got, we're gonna go climb Mount Kilimanjaro hopefully two years, two years' time.

Reagan Fulton 42:34

Oh

Sean Hines 42:36

yeah. So we're gonna, yeah, we're gonna go climb Mount Kilimanjaro. We're hoping to make a a, a documentary on it, so if anybody knows anybody that's in the film industry. J- again, just to,

Reagan Fulton 42:46

Yeah

Sean Hines 42:47

about our accolades or anything, but we wanna show- We wanna normalize these activities with, with people with disabilities

Reagan Fulton 42:54

that anybody can do it. Yeah

Sean Hines 42:55

Right. So that's the goal is we wanna, we wanna have a presence, and we wanna have, you know, we wanna promote positivity towards the disabled community in a positive light. I think the biggest thing for people getting on board and, and growing this thing and, and creating an outreach is, one look, let's have a conversation. Reach out to me. I'm basically the only one in the company. We have a board, but I run the whole show.

Reagan Fulton 43:18

Yep.

Sean Hines 43:18

you know, reach out to us. Our information will be linked somewhere. I'm sure you guys... In the, in, on the tech side. Yeah. You know, shoot us a DM or an email or whatever and say, "Hey, I've got this idea in my community." you know, and we could even brand it with The Limitless Project and say, "Hey, I'll work with you guys if you guys wanna tackle a project in your community or if you guys, you know, wanna do a project with us, come out and, and do one of our weekend things." We're always looking for volunteers, so whatever, you know, event we're having or whatever we need, you know, we'll, we'll also have a volunteer section. So there'll be a sign-up for people, participants to, to, you know, participate in whatever. But there'll also be a section for volunteers, and if people want to, you know, volunteer for a project or whatever we'll go through an interview process to say, "Hey, you know, what, what skills do I need? What skills can you bring? Here's what I'm looking for. Maybe this one will work. Maybe this one will work." yeah. And then the other thing is just word of mouth. You know, if people... I shouldn't say if people. Everybody knows people with disabilities, you know, in some light or another, whether that's autism or a cognitive impairment or a physical impairment. Everybody in their life has somebody, you know, if I mentioned it right now, you're, you're already thinking of that one person or two people or whoever it may be. You know, to, to, to say, "Hey, you know, I, I learned about this nonprofit. I learned about Shawn." Let's figure out what they wanna do, and let's, you know, let's just talk about it and, and spread the word. I think the biggest thing, the biggest challenge is just people don't know what they don't know, you know? And it's a cool project, and it's, you know, I like to think it's impactful, but, you know, people don't know what they don't know. And, you know, to have opportunities like this I'm sure people would be just dying to get in line for. But if I can't reach them or they can't reach us, then, you know, there's a disconnect. So just word of mouth and just spreading it around to say, "Hey, you know, if you know somebody that would, that would be interested in something like this or a friend of a friend," that's our biggest tool right now is just to you know, spread our, spread our footprint and, and impact as many people as we can. So that's where we're at right now. Yeah, a couple big projects, couple small projects, but it'll be a little bit before I get settled and then we'll, we'll start again. But

Reagan Fulton 45:38

Absolutely. I would say Jessica asked and the, and you were answering it as she was asking about setting up projects in other states and where you're, where you're gonna be lo- I know you're in Michigan now, but where you're gonna be located when you're settled. Yeah, I'm really curious about that. And if we wanted to do some, you know, maybe it was isn't something that we could actually bring you out or go to you, but are you able to support folks trying to... You know, if I wanted to take my cousin and do something crazy that I need

Sean Hines 46:04

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 46:05

brainstorming how to make happen, do you,

Sean Hines 46:07

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 46:07

make that happen? Like,

Sean Hines 46:08

Yeah. Well, and, and that's the thing too, is I I, I just have so mu- I've been doing this for so long, I have such a great network of, of people and things and expertise. So if it's not me physically on the ground, let's still have a conversation about it, because I can either, one, walk you through it and say, "Hey, here's what we're gonna need to adapt it. Here's what we're gonna need. I've got contacts here. We can do this." and that's, you know, that's the goal, is I wanna grow this thing so big in all the states that people are coming to me, and it doesn't have to be me

Reagan Fulton 46:38

Yep

Sean Hines 46:38

at every single opportunity. You know, I wanna teach people what I know. I wanna I can only be in so many places at one time. So I want, you know, that's a great, a great talking point is to say, hey, you know, let's have a conversation about it, and I can walk you through all the things that we need to adapt it, and I can set everything up. Whether you use the Limitless project or you wanna go through us, that's, you know, that's up to you. But if you wanna just try something, I can, I, I, I can almost guarantee you I know people or know how to do it, or we'll figure it out. You know? That's what we do, is we just figure it out. Yeah, great question. I would love, I would love for people out of state all over the world. You know, if you're on a cruise, if you're on a skiing trip in the Rockies, if you're, whatever it is to, to kind of teach people to teach people to teach people. And that's how you grow the company and the network and, and just impact as many people as you can. So yeah, that would be tremendous if you guys have anybody in mind out of state or wanna try something, or you even just wanna bounce ideas off of, off of me. You know? I, I have 'em. I trust me, I have the craziest ideas you can imagine. You know, I just need the people to, to do it.

Reagan Fulton 47:48

Awesome.

Sean Hines 47:48

yeah.

Reagan Fulton 47:49

our call to action nannies and families if you're listening. But, but nannies, we know how to, we know how to wrap a good mission up and support it, so let's make sure we spread the word about the

Sean Hines 47:59

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 47:59

Project. Support Shawn,

Sean Hines 48:01

you

Reagan Fulton 48:02

know anybody who either could use the Limitless Project and services or support them, you know somebody who makes adaptive technology who Shawn could connect with anything like that, please

Sean Hines 48:13

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 48:13

them. and thank you so much, Shawn. Is there anything else you wanna leave our guests with before we close out today?

Sean Hines 48:20

No. I just, I, I really appreciate the time today. It's just incredible to... I could talk about disabilities and, and all this for, for hours. But the, you know, the one thing I wanted to leave everybody with is, is disabilities never mean inability, you know? It just means that we have to be creative and we have to problem solve. And you know, like I mentioned before, you know, a lot of these people are fighting for their lives. They're fighting a battle that we have nuf- no knowledge about. And it's hard. Some of them are, are medically fighting for their life. Some of them are depressed. Some people have this invisible backpack that we have no idea about. And the least that we can do is just make it a full life, you know? Whether that's sharing a laugh, or sharing a meal, or a memory, or creating a crazy opportunity. You know, people are people. And you know, I don't care what you look like, I don't care what your disability is, we are human at the end of the day. And you know, that's, I think that's just the most important thing, is, is we're all here on the same planet with the same goal, just to, to win at life, you know?

Reagan Fulton 49:26

Absolutely. Well, thank you so much, Shawn, for being here. This has been so wonderful. We will get the replay up for soon. And if you are listening to this on the podcast, make sure you check out The Limitless Project, the website, and social media will be linked in the show notes. Thank you

Sean Hines 49:42

Tremendous. Tremendous. Thank you so much. I appreciate it

Reagan Fulton 49:46

but Jessica does have another

Final Takeaway And Community Q And A

Reagan Fulton 49:47

question about nanny families. I will say I will partially answer this from Adventure Nannies before I let Shawn add anything. We at Adventure Nannies we don't charge extra for special, you know, some special needs searches, anything like that. We have lots of special needs nannies on our roster. It really depends on your, the level of care. Sometimes when it gets into medical care necessities, it does get a little more complex, but we would be happy to talk. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm reading it backwards. Nanny families that need disability care. See, that is... We, we, we have the data you, you know, say. The families are less frequent. But please, please, please submit an application. Shoot me an email at marketing@ if you have submitted an application, and I'll pick it up. Because, you know, when we do have those families come in both from a personal perspective but also just from a company perspective, it, it feels, it feels important to get those placements right.

Sean Hines 50:49

Yeah

Reagan Fulton 50:49

And make sure that the right nanny's in there. So we always try to make sure that our roster is full of great nannies who can fill those kinds of spots, have any other agency? I won't, I won't, I won't knock you. Do you have any other agency recommendations that happen to have these kinds of jobs for disability care often?

Sean Hines 51:06

Talking to me.

Reagan Fulton 51:07

Yeah. I don't know if you

Sean Hines 51:09

honestly, the adv- I've applied... So it's funny, I have applied actually to 161 jobs. Being a male is, is disadvantageous in the community, and especially being so niche and you know, my expertise is, is pretty intense for disabilities. I've seen it all. Adventure Nannies has, has been the best. Honestly, I've applied through several agencies. Most of them don't give you the time of day. You know, disabilities are a very niche area, especially in the nanny world, and, and each family is looking for something different. But what I've found is Adventure Nannies has been... They, they've taken it all in and, and catered to all the families, whether they're neurotypical or have disabilities. It just is, it really is finding the right fit. You know, the family will find exactly what they're looking for. And I, I feel like Adventure Nannies has done a very good job of creating that pool to say, "Hey, we've got X, Y, and Z for you." You know? Yeah. It's not, it's not, I'm not, it's not a paid inter- It's not a paid, you know, anything at all, but,

Reagan Fulton 52:08

we'll probably

Sean Hines 52:09

No, Adventure Nanny...

Reagan Fulton 52:10

But no,

Sean Hines 52:11

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 52:11

a lot.

Sean Hines 52:12

Adventure Nannies truly has been the best, most communicative. Even from the pro- the very start, it's just tremendous. You hear from real people. You know,

Reagan Fulton 52:21

We

Sean Hines 52:21

real...

Reagan Fulton 52:22

nobody's AI.

Sean Hines 52:23

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 52:23

s- some people think that some of our candidate team are, are

Sean Hines 52:26

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 52:26

responding to them. They're

Sean Hines 52:28

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 52:28

They're just really that, that nice.

Sean Hines 52:30

Yeah. It's been tremendous. It really has been a journey, and it's just every process is, you know, it's it's up and down. It's, it's a job, a very lucrative job. And you know, and I just have to say Adventure Nannies has been tremendous through the whole, the whole process, so

Reagan Fulton 52:45

Well, thank you. Our entire team just loves you, Sean, and thank you for your time.

Sean Hines 52:49

Yeah.

Reagan Fulton 52:50

I really appreciate it,

Sean Hines 52:51

Of course.

Reagan Fulton 52:52

we'll talk soon.

Sean Hines 52:53

Okay, very good. Thanks for having me